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"The first edition of a FoxPro newsletter from the Boston Computer Society" (Eric den Doop)

This is the first edition of a Foxpro newsletter from the Boston Computer Society. This newsletter is archived at ftp.rahul.net in the directory pub/coneill under filename bcnn0294.zip. Future editions (published monthly) will be archived there as they are published.

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"Recently, the Google search engine has added 20 years of archived usenet posts to their search database. The oldest message related to Fox/Foxbase that I could found is dated 09/09/1986." (Eric den Doop)

From: Ben Noordzij (benno@eurifb.UUCP_(benno)
Subject: experience with dBASEIII clones, anyone?
Newsgroups: net.micro.pc
Date: 1986-08-12 18:04:57 PST

There are lots of companies selling databases for the PC. Some
of them claim full DB3 compatibility (TAS+, Foxbase) and are a
**LOT** cheaper.
Does anyone use these clones? How are your experiences?
I'll summarize to the net.
--

      Ben Noordzij ( mcvax!eurifb!benno )
      ( Looking for a really _ p_ o_ r_ t_ a_ b_ l_ e UNIX )
      EUR/bedrijfskunde, Burg.Oudlaan 50, 3062 PA Rotterdam, (010)4525511

From: Gregg Thompson (greggt@ncoast.UUCP)
Subject: Re: experience with dBASEIII clones, anyone?
Newsgroups: net.micro.pc
Date: 1986-08-30 22:25:45 PST

> There are lots of companies selling databases for the PC. Some
> of them claim full DB3 compatibility (TAS+, Foxbase) and are a
> **LOT** cheaper.
> Does anyone use these clones? How are your experiences?
> I'll summarize to the net.
> --
>
>      Ben Noordzij ( mcvax!eurifb!benno )
>      ( Looking for a really _ p_ o_ r_ t_ a_ b_ l_ e UNIX )
>      EUR/bedrijfskunde, Burg.Oudlaan 50, 3062 PA Rotterdam, (010)4525511


Watch out for these so-called compatible database programs!!! TAS+
says that they are compatible with dBASEIII but that is only with the
database FILES!!! Not the language. If you are not a programmer don't buy
TAS, although the initial cost is $69 (I think) it really doesn't do the job.
My older brother purchased the program and now he is forking out about $200
more! Why? Because the support is LOUSY for the $69 version (we will soon
see how better it will be with the developement package [it couldn't be worse]).
Everytime my brother called it seemed like there answer always was well that
feature is in the developement package, or it works better with the
developement package.
For me I will stick to Clipper (even though it has bugs too).
I would be interested in hearing from others who have worked with TAS+.

Oh by the way. Their sales department claims they will send us the
developement package, three times now. Infact twice the package was personally
walked over to the shipping department. How ever in each case the package was
never sent...

      IS it just a freak case or what?

            Gregg Thompson

(Source: Google)

From: bob bookbinder (system@lamont.UUCP)
Subject: Lotus & dBASE lookalikes
Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards
Date: 1986-09-09 13:47:00 PST

Is there a Lotus 123 and or dBASE II lookalike for 4.2bsd. I've
seen SCO's Foxbase and Professional, but they say they are not
porting to 4.2. Were Foxbase and Professional written by SCO for
SYS V or were they originaly (hopefully) written for 4.2bsd?
Any hints would be helpfull.

            Bob Bookbinder
            lamont!system

UUCP: {ihnp4, decvax, seismo} philabs!lamont!system

(Source: Google)

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"First mention of David Fulton and FoxPro in Google" (Eric den Doop)

From: Michael C. Sanders (ms7u+@andrew.cmu.edu)
Subject: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-09 11:43:26 PST

I need some help ...

We are working on upgrading some dBASE 3 code to increase speed and
performance. We are considering using either Foxbase, Clipper, dBASE 4,
or Foxpro. The problem is that the current system is quite large and
we do not want to have to rework the code (for compatibility's sake) if
we don't have to.

So --- My main question is what compatibility problems will we run into
when using dBASE 3 code on one of the other database programs.

Thank You,

Michael Sanders
ms7u@andrew.cmu.edu
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA

From: Emuleomo (emuleomo@yes.rutgers.edu)
Subject: Re: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-11 04:49:59 PST

In article , ms7u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael C. Sanders) writes:
> I need some help ...
>
> We are working on upgrading some dBASE 3 code to increase speed and
> performance. We are considering using either Foxbase, Clipper, dBASE 4,
> or Foxpro. The problem is that the current system is quite large and
> we do not want to have to rework the code (for compatibility's sake) if
> we don't have to.
>
> So --- My main question is what compatibility problems will we run into
> when using dBASE 3 code on one of the other database programs.
>
> Thank You,
>
Foxbase+ 2.0 or 2.1 is *definitely* the way to go. It will run your dBASE
code WITHOUT you having to rewrite a *SINGLE* line of code.
It will also run it about 2-6 times faster!!
As an added bonus, it gives you an identical dBASE programming
environment. *That's why they got sued by A-T*!!
If you "compile" your application using Foxpcomp, it will run even faster.!
Yes, before I forget, Fox uses its own proprietary index files but it will
automatically reindex any dBASE index that your program needs to use
*ON THE FLY*. Neat stuff!

I can't recommend clipper, because it is not 100% compatible with dBASE3.

Forget dBASE IV; at least for now. From what I hear, it is not stable yet!

Foxpro is still vapourware. I havent seen it yet. Also the suggested retail
($795) is too expensive for me. You can get Foxbase+ version 2.1 for about
$190 I beleive!

Hope this helps.

--Emuleomo O.O. (emuleomo@yes.rutgers.edu)
--
** Writing error-free code MUST be magic! Why else is it sooo difficult to do?

From: Cliff Joslyn (cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu)
Subject: Re: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-11 18:12:19 PST

In article emuleomo@yes.rutgers.edu (Emuleomo) writes:br> >Foxpro is still vapourware. I havent seen it yet. Also the suggested retail
>($795) is too expensive for me. You can get Foxbase+ version 2.1 for about
>$190 I beleive!
I've been quoted an upgrade price from 2.1 to Foxpro of about $250, so
go for 2.1 now and hang around for Pro. Quick, before it's too late.

--
O---------------------------------------------------------------------->
| Cliff Joslyn, Cybernetician at Large
| Systems Science, SUNY Binghamton, cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu
V All the world is biscuit shaped. . .

From: Michael Silano (dat_48@jhunix.HCF.JHU.EDU)
Subject: Re: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-11 22:24:07 PST

In article <2506@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu> cjoslyn@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu.cc.binghamton.edu (Cliff Joslyn) writes: >In article emuleomo@yes.rutgers.edu (Emuleomo) writes:
>>Foxpro is still vapourware. I havent seen it yet. Also the suggested retail
>>($795) is too expensive for me. You can get Foxbase+ version 2.1 for about
>>$190 I beleive!
>
>I've been quoted an upgrade price from 2.1 to Foxpro of about $250, so
>go for 2.1 now and hang around for Pro. Quick, before it's too late.
>

FoxBase does indeed have an upgrade program - if you buy 2.1 in the next
few weeks, an upgrade to Foxpro 1.0 will be $195....

FoxPro is not vaporware -> It has been tested by FoxTalk magazine, and
will be reviewed in an upcoming issue of DBMS and PC Magazine...

Fox has never engaged in the vaporware wars and hasn't started yet...

 
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   Michael Silano                           = Did you know that life is the 
   weasel@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu                = leading cause of death???
   weasel@jhunix.BITNET                     ======================================
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From: Alexis Rosen (alexis@panix.UUCP)
Subject: Re: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-12 01:55:03 PST

In article emuleomo@yes.rutgers.edu (Emuleomo) writes:
>In article , ms7u+@andrew.cmu.edu
>(Michael C. Sanders) writes:
>> [wants to know about dBASE 3 compatability with FoxPro]
>Foxbase+ 2.0 or 2.1 is *definitely* the way to go. It will run your dBASE
>code WITHOUT you having to rewrite a *SINGLE* line of code.
> [many more compliments to fox, nixes clipper, trashes dBASE IV]
>
>Foxpro is still vapourware. I havent seen it yet. Also the suggested retail
>($795) is too expensive for me. You can get Foxbase+ version 2.1 for about
>$190 I beleive!

Well, it's *NOT* vapourware. Late-late-betaware is more like it. I and about
1000 other people have it right now. While I haven't been playing with it as
much as I'd like to, I must say that as of three weeks ago it was much more
stable than many released products I've seen. The 'rumor' printed in InfoWorld
that they have upped the max number of simultaneous files to 25 from ten is
also true (actually, it's 26 when you count the help database...). I expect
it to be released by the end of this month, and I expect it to be as close to
perfect as code gets when it's released- I can't tell you how good it was to
hear David Fulton tell an audience of 650 developers that the product wouldn't
be realeased until "you tell us it's ready".

As to how good it is, let's just say it takes all of the great features from
the Mac product and succeeds in implementing them on a character-based
machine. I really didn't think it was possible to do it right, but they have.
In addition there are more enhancements than I can begin to describe.

FoxPro should be 99%+ compatible with dBASE III+. Your code may port without
changing a single line. If not, I'd be astonished if it took longer than an
afternoon to port it.

Lastly, that price comparison is unfair in the extreme. Emuleomo quoted FoxPro
list price against FoxBase street price. 'nuff said.

Alexis Rosen
cmcl2!panix!alexis

[By the way, this is the first posting from my new public access site since
we fixed all of our assorted problems. I'm still not sure whether mail from
uunet to cmcl2 will make its way here but if in doubt route via ucbvax,
rutgers, harvard, or philabs.]

From: BRIAN LOESGEN (brian.loesgen@canremote.uucp)
Subject: Re: foxpro compatibility???
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Date: 1989-10-16 06:53:00 PST

ch>I've been quoted an upgrade price from 2.1 to Foxpro of about $250, so
ch>go for 2.1 now and hang around for Pro. Quick, before it's too late.

I ordered my upgrade from Fox a couple of weeks ago for US$195.

... Brian L.

(Source: Google)

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"How to Win The FoxPro Puzzle"

George Tasker and Carl Warner

Among the "Easter eggs" that could be found in FoxPro, there is one related to the Puzzle (from the System menu pad, choose "Puzzle").

In FoxPro Windows version 2.6 pressing Ctrl+End automatically will "win the game". This behavior doesn't appear in FPD 2.5.

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"Is this David Fulton, FoxPro's David Fulton?"

As a response to a message (Thread #596617) posted in The Universal Thread by Fernando Alvares:

Searching for information about Dave and Amy Fulton, found:

  1. Giya Kancheli's Piano Quartet in L'istesso Tempo was specially commissioned for the Bridge Ensemble by David and Amy Fulton: http://sunday.mpr.org/featured_artists/bridgeensemble.html
  2. MUSICIANS OF NORTHWEST CHAMBER ORCHESTRA - Violin - Marjorie Kransberg-Talvi, The David & Amy Fulton Concertmaster: http://www.nwco.org/About.htm
  3. The Del Amitri Concert, April 17, 1996 by Amy Fulton: http://www.delamitri.com/articles/concerts/fultoncon.html
  4. Donors 1995-2001 - Fortissimo Club - $5,000-$9,999 David & Amy Fulton: http://www.seattleconservatory.org/donors.html
  5. IN L'ISTESSO TEMPO 1997 - for piano quartet - Commissioned by David and Amy Fulton: http://www.sikorski.de/_english/autoren/kanch_wk.htm
  6. "In L'Istesso Tempo" for piano quartet (1997) - Commissioned by David and Amy Fulton: http://ovar.myweb.nl/kancheli.htm
  7. First Violin Ilkka Talvi The David & Amy Fulton Concertmaster: http://www.seanet.com/users/mfost/symph/people01.html

Are Dave and Amy Fulton concert players or I'm lost in the dust? It's very hard to find information about them. Can you believe that?

Doug Hennig: I can't say for certain that it's them, but I'd bet money on it. They've always been very involved in the arts, especially symphonies.

Doug Dodge: Yep.. That's them. Dave & Amy are very involved with music, partuicularly chamber music in the Seattle area.

Craig Berntson: I'll bet money on it too. Last I heard they were heavily involved with the Seattle Symphony and related organizations.

David Bower: That's fits in with what I remember of them at the early Toledo devcons. They seem to always have some classy musical act arranged. It makes me very happy to see them so involved. Wonderful people.

Bret Empie: I vaguely remember an old thread saying that he collected old violins, or something. It might not lead to much, but you might search his name here, since you are a Premier Universal Thread Membership.

Charles Hankey: Dr. Dave owns a 1737 Guarneri del Gesu known as "Viconte de Panette" that was previously owned by Isaac Stern. Fulton bought the instrument in 1994 (he must have come into some money about that time < bg > as the price of this level instument often runs into the millions ). In 1996, Vadim Repin recorded the Ravel and Medtner sonatas on this instrument, which was lent to him by Dr. Dave.

Fulton plays the violin himself, but this kind of arrangement, where a rich patron of the arts buys a famous instrument and then loans it to a performer for concertizing is not uncommon.

(Source: The Universal Thread, Thread #583992)

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"History of the Jam Sessions"

Barry R. Lee

DevCon jam sessions are a time-honored tradition. They were originally started back in 1989, in Ohio, when Fox Software still owned the product. When Microsoft bought Fox from Dr. Dave, they elected to carry on the tradition. And now that Advisor Publications is running the show, with an assist from Microsoft, the tradition continues.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, I don’t really organize the jam sessions. All of the equipment and facility arrangements are made by Shirley Brothers and John Hawkins. They deserve a lot of credit. John was one of the original jammers…as a matter of fact, he might be the only original left. I try to organize the players that are interested in having some tunes to play ahead of time. While it’s a little bit of effort, the results are very gratifying. Both the audience and players have a really good time.

So if you’ve never been - go. If you’ve been in the past - stop by again. Just look for us in the bar or whatever room they have us set up in. You probably won’t even have to look…just listen.

(Source: The Universal Thread, Articles Section)

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"FoxPro Secret Screen"

Dale Gilstrap Leopold

What prompted me to write was your unsuccessful search for a FoxPro secret screen, or (more appropriately for the weekend I'm writing this) "Easter egg." Well such a thing does exist, as I just confirmed by calling in to a LAN I setup a few years ago. On it was a version of FoxPro 1.01 (that should give you some idea of when I set it up...). If you can dig up, dust off and install those old 1.01 disks, here's what you do:

  1. From the System menu pad, choose the "About FoxPro" prompt. This displays the "About FoxPro" window (a single window in those days).

  2. Single click one character down and to the right from the upper- left-hand corner of the box. The box now reads "FoxPro was written by:" and a list of FoxPro's authors will scroll across the middle of the window in a continuous loop.

  3. Single clicking one character down and to the left of the upper-right-hand corner of the window will produce a scrolling list of FoxPro's documenters.

As far as I know, there are no Easter eggs in any subsequent versions of FoxPro, but you never know... you may already have received some messages to the contrary.

(Source: BCNN's http://www.hop.man.ac.uk/staff/mpitcher/foxpro/bcnn/bcnf0694.html#10)

Also of interest is why they stopped. Developers with problems were looking up the names, calling Toledo information, and phoning the Fox team at home at night for support... <g> Yair Alan Griver

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Fletcher Johnson

The buyout of Fox software was announced at DBExpo in San Francisco at my user group meeting. The user group is located in San Jose which is south of San Francisco. This caused some discord at the time with the San Francisco user group because they thought that they should have been able to host the announcements.

The presentation went well, but the MS guy with all the business cards for the raffle disappeared. So I ended up throwing out all the freebies into the audience.... For some reason, they didn't ask me to host another major announcement....

Anyway, after the presentation, a bunch of us were asked what we thought. The questions started with "Do you think that MS just bought FoxPro to beef up Cirrus (the code name for Access at the time.) Those that said yes, etc. were quoted in the magazines. But those (like me) who said that we expected MS to market FP for a long time and why were ignored and none of those statements made it into print......

And here it is, ten years later and you can still buy VFP!

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Peter Stordiau

Wanted to start a company as part of BSO/Origin in 1986, developing mainframe-apps based on PC-networks after some experience in dBASE III?. No one believed in this stuff, so he started his own company in 1986, Heart Informatisering B.V., and selected FoxBase+? (multi-user, yeah !) for the development-tool.

Too much was asked from FoxBase and regular contact with Fox Software fixed the most crucial bugs (thanks for the Dutch Distributor of Fox too !). When the first version of Heart-Profit ( ERP) was running at several customers, Microsoft bought FoxPro, and from version 2.00 Heart-Profit started to run under that. Okay, it did not, because the memory-management of 2.00 was really nothing. Helpdesk numbers of Fox Software became numbers of Microsoft, and 2.00a was doing it's job a lot better. 2.00a became 2.5 and now everything was officially running, though the app contained several hundreds (or more) work-arounds. 2.6 (Dos) was released, but problems started again and it was layd aside.

Some 6-7 years ago VFP 3.0 was tried for a few simple things, but again, causing too much memory-problems; in order to start attempting to run Heart-Profit graphically, one year was worked on 2.6a (Windows), and just when this was finished with nice result, of course this was not it, though all big ERP-apps were creating a graphical shell, having no real objects etc. Now VFP 5.0 was tried, en yeah, this seems to work allright. A real OS was created in order to map the procedural Dos-code to the Object-environment, and in the 4 years of working on this, no more than 10 real bugs where discovered in VFP5. This, for being the first VFP5-buyer in Europe (ie very premature official version) was nice stuff. Over a year ago again a very first version of VFP6 was bought, but messed up all classes due to having used custom method-names etc. now existing as VFP-names in 6. Stupid, and own fault (hmm ?).

Right at this moment 2.5 is still used for the Dos-version of Heart-Profit, and VFP5 (no SP) is used for the Win-version, not giving any problems. The app is developed in simple (!) procedural code in Dos (over 7,000 prg), but runs Object-Event? for Win, allowing for over 100 users on one server, not noticing they are all there on a database consisting of 800 server-tables and 1,400 including local tables. One logical transaction may use 80 tables and in such an environment over 1,000,000 transactions may be performed in one day.

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